Thank you! At's a lotta very thought provoking stuff. I'll try to make one up, but that's pretty hard to do anymore.
"It's a bitterly twisted irony, these fathers of the Holocaust have shown their children; when by making for them a home like heavan, he's robbed them of the heavan they'd made for themselves".
"This of course is pretty thick bullshit, especially when you consider that “Jews are not a ‘Race’”. Biological Jewishness, or Zewishness (cf Nada Chehade), is not an actual thing in reality. “There is NO Jewish DNA; Jews are not a race or an isolate; Jews do not have a Levantine common ancestor; the Roman Exile (70 AD) did not establish the Jewish Diaspora; ‘Ashkenazi Jews’ did not originate from a small founder group; all Jews are not related to one another” [Aron al Haik, Israeli born Jewish geneticist, who, by the way, said Harry Ostrer was a liar — from his landmark study at Johns Hopkins University]."
While I'm not sure of your facts, I don't want to argue with them anyway. I see the Israel of today as a tragic betrayal of the Jewish culture which grew so rich and strong because it was unencumbered by a natiomalist identity. It was free to draw from any well of knowledge without prejudice, assume or create any story like costumes and props, rather than the uniforms and armor of the national identity seekers.
I'll not deny Terry's conclusion that colonies built and sustained on violence, after the 18th century at least, are fatally flawed, but I don't think Israel fits the model as easily as he charachterizes.
I think that there was a benevolence in the original zionist dream, but it was drowned in our bloody wars.
If our century of war hadn't turned a pastoral setting for settling into a strategic one, I wonder if those early Zionists may not have gone off the rails. And even with the wars, what if we'd allowed the UN to apply the law to a just end.
I do think grouping Zionism with nationalist settler colonialism is specious and unhelpful in our pursuit of peace.
I agree that Zionism is a betrayal of Judaism. I'll go further and state that Zionism is the greatest danger to Judaism,, which follows from great Jewish voices:
“If we want to stay really human beings, we must get up and call the Zionists what they are: Nazi criminals.” (Dr. Hajo Meyer, 1924-2014, Holocaust survivor)
“An anti-Semite used to be a person who disliked Jews. Now it is a person who Jews dislike.” (ibid)
“The Nazis made me afraid to be a Jew, and the Israelis make me ashamed to be a Jew.” (Dr Israel Shahak, Israeli Professor of Organic Chemistry, Holocaust survivor, and civil rights advocate & activist)
“Israel is a People, not a land.” -- Abraham Joshua Heschel
All of these you'll find in the piece Dear Zionist, which is linked within the above. Zionism is, and has always been, settler colonialism, designed by atheists and converts of Turkic origin (al Haik). If you read these pieces, you'll not find external "grouping", rather you'll find confessions and self-identification. Stanley Cohen has a great piece titled Star Of David - Land Of Myth (in its entirety on Crossing Rubicons), where he points at the twisting of the simple statement "right of return" to Zionist intent.
Led Zeppelin sang a great song, When The Levee Breaks, conveying, "cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good"; in other words (of James ng Uni), "If the Truth makes you uncomfortable, don't blame the Truth. Blame the lie that made you comfortable."
I'll leave you with the quote of a great thinker (included in both readings):
“There is an evil which most of us condone and are even guilty of: indifference to evil. We remain neutral, impartial, and not easily moved by the wrongs done to other people. Indifference to evil is more insidious than evil itself; it is more universal, more contagious, more dangerous. A silent justification, it makes possible an evil erupting as an exception becoming the rule and being in turn accepted.” — (Abraham Joshua Heschel, The Insecurity of Freedom)
Thank you! At's a lotta very thought provoking stuff. I'll try to make one up, but that's pretty hard to do anymore.
"It's a bitterly twisted irony, these fathers of the Holocaust have shown their children; when by making for them a home like heavan, he's robbed them of the heavan they'd made for themselves".
"This of course is pretty thick bullshit, especially when you consider that “Jews are not a ‘Race’”. Biological Jewishness, or Zewishness (cf Nada Chehade), is not an actual thing in reality. “There is NO Jewish DNA; Jews are not a race or an isolate; Jews do not have a Levantine common ancestor; the Roman Exile (70 AD) did not establish the Jewish Diaspora; ‘Ashkenazi Jews’ did not originate from a small founder group; all Jews are not related to one another” [Aron al Haik, Israeli born Jewish geneticist, who, by the way, said Harry Ostrer was a liar — from his landmark study at Johns Hopkins University]."
https://griobhtha1.substack.com/p/romans-spartans-zionists-and-slavery
While I'm not sure of your facts, I don't want to argue with them anyway. I see the Israel of today as a tragic betrayal of the Jewish culture which grew so rich and strong because it was unencumbered by a natiomalist identity. It was free to draw from any well of knowledge without prejudice, assume or create any story like costumes and props, rather than the uniforms and armor of the national identity seekers.
I'll not deny Terry's conclusion that colonies built and sustained on violence, after the 18th century at least, are fatally flawed, but I don't think Israel fits the model as easily as he charachterizes.
I think that there was a benevolence in the original zionist dream, but it was drowned in our bloody wars.
If our century of war hadn't turned a pastoral setting for settling into a strategic one, I wonder if those early Zionists may not have gone off the rails. And even with the wars, what if we'd allowed the UN to apply the law to a just end.
I do think grouping Zionism with nationalist settler colonialism is specious and unhelpful in our pursuit of peace.
I agree that Zionism is a betrayal of Judaism. I'll go further and state that Zionism is the greatest danger to Judaism,, which follows from great Jewish voices:
“If we want to stay really human beings, we must get up and call the Zionists what they are: Nazi criminals.” (Dr. Hajo Meyer, 1924-2014, Holocaust survivor)
“An anti-Semite used to be a person who disliked Jews. Now it is a person who Jews dislike.” (ibid)
“The Nazis made me afraid to be a Jew, and the Israelis make me ashamed to be a Jew.” (Dr Israel Shahak, Israeli Professor of Organic Chemistry, Holocaust survivor, and civil rights advocate & activist)
“Israel is a People, not a land.” -- Abraham Joshua Heschel
All of these you'll find in the piece Dear Zionist, which is linked within the above. Zionism is, and has always been, settler colonialism, designed by atheists and converts of Turkic origin (al Haik). If you read these pieces, you'll not find external "grouping", rather you'll find confessions and self-identification. Stanley Cohen has a great piece titled Star Of David - Land Of Myth (in its entirety on Crossing Rubicons), where he points at the twisting of the simple statement "right of return" to Zionist intent.
Led Zeppelin sang a great song, When The Levee Breaks, conveying, "cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good"; in other words (of James ng Uni), "If the Truth makes you uncomfortable, don't blame the Truth. Blame the lie that made you comfortable."
I'll leave you with the quote of a great thinker (included in both readings):
“There is an evil which most of us condone and are even guilty of: indifference to evil. We remain neutral, impartial, and not easily moved by the wrongs done to other people. Indifference to evil is more insidious than evil itself; it is more universal, more contagious, more dangerous. A silent justification, it makes possible an evil erupting as an exception becoming the rule and being in turn accepted.” — (Abraham Joshua Heschel, The Insecurity of Freedom)